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I emailed an agency owner some images I did of some models by request. He and I spoke on the phone, he mentioned my live event photography specifically and showed an interest in that. Then he asked if I would have a meeting with him and what I was looking for if he had work for the models.
I told him if he had agency work for me, runway shows or the like I'd be happy. He then asked if I'd do a shoot of a runway show in 2 months.
I'm wondering though, if I answered that wrong? I'm sure he wasn't asking to pay me referrals as a scout, or was he?
How would I go about pricing the shoot for a runway show? It's for 3 magazines, not sure of any other details until I meet with him.
Thanks
-=gcobb=-
Greg, I gave you a quick answer on the other site to one aspect of your question. Let me expand and add to it here.
Greg Cobb wrote:
I told him if he had agency work for me, runway shows or the like I'd be happy. He then asked if I'd do a shoot of a runway show in 2 months.
At this point I get slightly confused. In general, model agencies do not put on runway shows and don't shoot or use runway pictures for their models. Apparently "generally" does not apply in this case, but it does make me wonder why.
Greg Cobb wrote:
How would I go about pricing the shoot for a runway show? It's for 3 magazines, not sure of any other details until I meet with him.
Short answer: I have no idea.
Longer answer:
Many magazines pay little or nothing for photos used editorially. Some pay quite a bit. Without knowing the magazine and their policies, it's impossible to guess. In general I'd think the answer would be, "not much", but there isn't enough information to know for sure.
Prices for local photographers to shoot local shows generally seem to run in the very small number of hundreds of dollars unless there is something else that makes the shoot worth more, however. The last show I shot, as the house photographer for a local designer in Houston, paid $300, and she wasn't happy about having to go that high.
Greg Cobb wrote:
I'm wondering though, if I answered that wrong? I'm sure he wasn't asking to pay me referrals as a scout, or was he?
It's not universal (and less true for commercial than for fashion agencies), but it's not at all unusual for a scout to be paid for getting a model for an agency. The payments, when made, vary, and can be from lump sum buyouts to percentages (typically 5%, sometimes 10%) of the model's earnings over a period of time (a year or more).
Often, to lock in the payment, the scout will act as a "mother agent" and have the model sign an exclusive management contract with her, which specifies that the manager take some (usually larger) percentage of her income from modeling. Then, in effect, the mother agent sells that right (or part of it, in that area) to the agency for whatever percentage they can negotiate.
Hope that helps.
This is good information. I've got a few things I need to analyze. One is that I'm going to email the owner and ask him if there is a fee for him using any models I refer to him. I'm not going to act as a manager, just someone to find him models when the opportunity arises. He asked what I was "looking for" so maybe he is considering paying. I'm going to email him and touch on this.
The bigger part of this is that he is asking me to shoot for him too. One specific thing is a show he is putting on in July that he wants me to shoot for. There will be models on a runway.
These are a few things I have some knowledge of by reading in the forums for so long. But with me being my analytical self, there are more things I need to know before walking into something blindfolded.
I have a live band/show to shoot in the same hall a month earlier so I'll know a little more about the place before I go in the second time.
Here are a few things I'm wondering about, and I know lighting and distance are variables.
Which lens? 70-200?
With a flash? 430ex?
Manual or higher ISO?
Lumiquest Mini-Softbox?
The process for which shots to get:
a) shoot when they're at the top of the runway?
b) shoot at the top and when they're close to me?
c) several shots of each model?
If I could see someone do this once I'd have a better idea of what the process involves.
Sorry for rambling endlessly. My mind is all over the place.
-=gcobb=-
Greg Cobb wrote:
Which lens? 70-200?
That's what I used to shoot NY Fashion Week shows, but it is way too long for the one I did in Houston. Until you know the layout and where you will be there is no telling. Bring a variety of lenses if you can't get access to the venue in advance.
Greg Cobb wrote:
With a flash? 430ex?
I don't know. Again, for the FW shows, no flash in the Bryant Park venues, sometimes it was needed in offsite locations. It depends on what the lighting is. Bring the flash unless you can find out you won't need it.
In Houston I was the house photographer, so I brought some studio lights and set them up in the corners. No telling what your situation will be.
Greg Cobb wrote:
Manual or higher ISO?
No idea what this means. Acceptable ISO is camera dependent. I can get by with 1600 on my D700, but would prefer lower. It all depends on the location and lighting, which is an unknown.
Greg Cobb wrote:
Lumiquest Mini-Softbox?
Another unknown. You don't even know if you will need a flash, let alone how to modify it. And you don't know how much room you will have around you. For instance, try using a mini softbox here (the photographer's pit at a fashion show) and see how well it works:
Greg Cobb wrote:
The process for which shots to get:
a) shoot when they're at the top of the runway?
b) shoot at the top and when they're close to me?
c) several shots of each model?
What does your client want?
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