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Tim Hammond
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Generally people refer to "the industry" they're implying corporate clients, agency models, production crews, and art directors.  I view that as the middle of the bell curve, with the right side of the curve representing big operations for national and international campaigns, and the left side of the curve representing the smaller side of the industry, working with mom and pop clients, pick-up models, and little or no crew. 

I'm way over on the left hand side.  My commercial work is for jewelers and artisans, mom and pop liquor stores, private mechanic shops, private practice doctor's, etc. I'm the production crew and usually the art director as well.  There's not a model agency in the state, so the models are either employees of the client or local casuals I round up.  I'm sure I'm not the only one working under that far left side of the bell curve, but I never seem to hear from others in the little end of the industry.

Likewise, on the model side, I know three models who've made a decent side income in this small town for 15 years doing occasional ads, promotional work, tv commercials, etc. but would never consider jumping into the big leagues, signing with an agency, and traveling the world, but I never hear models talk about that end of the spectrum of commercial modeling.

Some things I'd like to hear how people handle:

How do you screen models?  The standard answer from an industry perspective is if you want quality/reliability, use agency models. When that's not an option, what do you do? Do you use employees of the client?  If so, how do you screen them for suitability, and how do you say no when they just won't work?  Do you conduct interviews or auditions?  If the client doesn't provide employees, do you just use anyone who will respond to a casting call on myspace or craigslist and is close enough, or do you spend a lot of time scouring universities, beauty shops, and bars to find the perfect model?

When you're both the art director and the photographer, how much creative freedom do you expect from the client? Do you go over sketches and examples with them, revise, then meet again?  Or do you talk over a general concept, then develop and shoot a few options for them to choose from?  Or do you basically provide them stock images that fit a few criteria and let them worry about design from there?

Models, if you're stuck (or just happy to stay) in a small market, how do you let photographers know you're out there?  Do you assume every potential job will find you through MM/OMP?  Do you wait for someone to hunt and find you, and not worry about it if they don't? Do you advertise your availability through local venues (phone book, penny ad papers, bulletin boards?)  Do you just rely on word of mouth? And how diverse are you?  For example, do you limit yourself to only print work, or are you willing to do a liquor store poster one week, a spokesmodel for the car dealer next week, a jewelry ad the next, and hostess for a fundraiser the next (I know different models here who would answer both ways)?

I could keep going with questions, but I'll stop for now. I just want to hear from others in the little end of the industry, who do commercial work but don't have corporate clients, model agencies, production crews, and art directors as a part of their scope of work. What do you go through to please the client and produce work you're proud of without breaking the bank?

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I am on the little end right now.

My photography clients are small shops, individuals for portraits, and boudoir done on simple sets.

I have not done hardly any marketing just slow steady word of mouth has given me about two new clients a month. This is not enough to live off of but I am using 2009 to ramp up slowly.

Some clients say:
"Your creative do what you want" I have found that this can be hit or miss, I bring several ideas and props and we go over what they want. Sometimes they love what I shoot and sometimes I get a "hrm... that was not what I was thinking" When this starts to happen I try to get as much info from the clients as possible, get them to talk about what they like, I tell them to tear up magazines so give me examples, show me images on the web, anything to make sure that we are both on the same page.

I also have an idea book, if they are dry I go through it and toss out my own ideas and see what they like.

One of the biggest problems I am starting to encounter is clients want big budget projects on a tiny budget, this leads to frustration, on both sides.

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"The industry" is MUCH bigger than that. And there's damn little creativity in the vast majority of it.

Think senior portraits, Little League team photos and a raft of other jobs done by professionals with cameras.

The Bell curve described above is really only the far right hand tip of the real curve. Look at the number of pictures required for your daily newspapers, your news Web sites (CNN, Fox, et al) and your entertainment programs. That doesn't even count all the public relations claptrap or the official photography done of, for and by the governments of our cities, counties, states and nation.

In sheer bulk of images with which we're bombarded, commercial clients large and small are all on the far right of the above-described curve.

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Iona Lynn wrote:


Some clients say:
"Your creative do what you want" I have found that this can be hit or miss, I bring several ideas and props and we go over what they want. Sometimes they love what I shoot and sometimes I get a "hrm... that was not what I was thinking"

I really hate when that happens.  "Do what you want" has become a big red flag for me, generally indicating a client who can't be pleased.

Iona Lynn wrote:


One of the biggest problems I am starting to encounter is clients want big budget projects on a tiny budget, this leads to frustration, on both sides.

Yeah, I get that too.  I try to explain what goes into each piece they add to their idea - "well, you know that will require two extra models and a custom wardrobe" - but many of them just don't get it.

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Michael McGowan wrote:

"The industry" is MUCH bigger than that. And there's damn little creativity in the vast majority of it.

Think senior portraits, Little League team photos and a raft of other jobs done by professionals with cameras.

The Bell curve described above is really only the far right hand tip of the real curve. Look at the number of pictures required for your daily newspapers, your news Web sites (CNN, Fox, et al) and your entertainment programs. That doesn't even count all the public relations claptrap or the official photography done of, for and by the governments of our cities, counties, states and nation.

In sheer bulk of images with which we're bombarded, commercial clients large and small are all on the far right of the above-described curve.

Point well taken.  Generally, though, when people in the world of model photography talk about "the industry" I get the impression they're talking about commercial photography, not photojournalism and team sports, and not fine art or fetish either.  From a statistical perspective, I'm talking about a sub-population of the population you're considering, and every sub-population has it's own distribution as well.  Regardless, even though I'm focusing on small-scale commercial photography in the OP, I'm certainly interested in hearing relevant experience and ideas from anywhere on the spectrum.

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My wife and I are very much to the left (according to your scale).
While the bulk of revenue comes from high school seniors, babies, weddings and family events, we've also made a dollar or two from the local biz and small circulation industry.
I've actually shot more commercial work with objects, animals and bugs than with humans.  However, the wife & I have done a few human based projects as well.

Most of the human based projects we get involved with have a budget that can't handle an agency model.  To overcome this, we rely on model ports to find a look and the list of photographers they've worked with to verify their claim to be the original undiscovered super model.  If I look at a model's port and they have an image from Joe The Camera Guy and it happens to be a very weak image from Joe the Camera Guy, you can bet I'm gonna be asking ole Joe about the model.

Working with unknowns can be a daunting task.  It is far easier to recognize the work of fellow photographers to determine if the model is weak or not.

To me, the photographer port is key to a half assed chance of getting the right model.

As for the "creative control" factor, I don't usually find customers who have any idea what they want.  I usually pry it out of them over a conversation and then find images that come close to their ideas to make sure I'm in the ball park.  After that, I usually take over creativity and hope like hell I'm not too far off base.

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Tim Hammond wrote:

Michael McGowan wrote:

"The industry" is MUCH bigger than that. And there's damn little creativity in the vast majority of it.

Think senior portraits, Little League team photos and a raft of other jobs done by professionals with cameras.

The Bell curve described above is really only the far right hand tip of the real curve. Look at the number of pictures required for your daily newspapers, your news Web sites (CNN, Fox, et al) and your entertainment programs. That doesn't even count all the public relations claptrap or the official photography done of, for and by the governments of our cities, counties, states and nation.

In sheer bulk of images with which we're bombarded, commercial clients large and small are all on the far right of the above-described curve.

Point well taken.  Generally, though, when people in the world of model photography talk about "the industry" I get the impression they're talking about commercial photography, not photojournalism and team sports, and not fine art or fetish either.  From a statistical perspective, I'm talking about a sub-population of the population you're considering, and every sub-population has it's own distribution as well.  Regardless, even though I'm focusing on small-scale commercial photography in the OP, I'm certainly interested in hearing relevant experience and ideas from anywhere on the spectrum.

In most places not named Los Angeles or New York, the same bloke who's doing the senior portraits is also handling the jewelry store ads and the local billboards.

"Models" are quite often people who work at a store. If you think that's bad, you ought to listen to them talk in TV commercials.

When I hear a photographer talking about "the industry," he's generally talking about editorial shooting. But that's just where I've been hiding out for 40-odd years.

At the time that I was working full-time as a photojournalist, I also made lots of money (and barter) from shop owners who wanted me to photograph stuff for them. They couldn't afford the studio guys, so they'd hire the local PJ to do a down-and-dirty product shoot.

In the size community where I live right now, only a handful of the larger businesses even pay for their own pictures. The rest use stock images from manufacturers. Why get somebody locally to shoot pictures of rings when you already have a kick-ass shot from the manufacturer?

Tailoring a business model to a community is perhaps the toughest task of all. I've mentioned a top-notch commercial shooter I know in (of all places) Peoria. It took him 20 years or so, but he now has a national business, based in his hometown. From what he says, he started out super-small and worked his way up.

Location and learning what people want makes all the difference. And one thing that both makes him happy and generates goodwill in the business community is his charity work. His homespun yet slick TV ads for the March of Dimes showcase his ability with people as well as his techniques.

Reaching out in the community makes all the difference.