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I'm glad to see the launch of the new PhOTM & MOTM contests, but I have a couple of suggestions? Currently in the MOTW and PhOTW Contests one is entering 3 images to be viewed and voted on but the monthly contest only has 1 image entered for review from each of the weekly winners submittals. It may or may not be the best image of the 3 original winning entries of that week.

Is it possible to have the monthly contest coded so that all 3 of the images of the set that won the weekly contest be viewable and votable in the montly contest for both the model's and photographer's contests? This past month's contest we had 4 winners with only one image from each entered in both contests. What's the point of using only one arbitrarily selected image when three were entered AND can't be re-entered for two months?

Speaking of which, the 2 month no re-entry rules for the weekly contest is a mite stringent IMO, and will directly lead to less participation in the contests. The wait period for the daily contests is currently 15 days. If one is entering daily that's a total of 15 images being entered before an image can be resubmitted. That in itself isn't easy for a model or photographer with smaller portfolios to be able to comply with, but so be it. It's also not easy to Admin, as both Curtis and John will attest to. Even with previous entries displayed, when one is entering quickly it's easy to overlook and re-enter prematurely. I've done it. I'm sure others have as well.

With the weekly contest's rules being what they are now, if one is entering regularly, you must wait 8 cycles (or 24 images) before an image can be submitted again. That's quite a few images, especially for those with smaller ports. My suggestion would be 4-5 cycles, a month max, or 12-15 total images. It'd also be easier to Admin, no?

When I just entered my submittals for this week's PhOTW Contest the header stated "My Entries the Past 15 Days", but showed all entries going back months. It was only when I went into the Rules link that I read of the 2 month Rule. With the header being what it is now, wouldn't one assume that the rule is 15 days in this contest as well? This should be changed to reflect the actual rules, no?

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We're having a few last minute coding issues, but the "Of the Months" are being updated to automatically feed in the "of the week" winners, with all 3 images.

I'll let the contest guys talk to you about the rules & ask Dan & Chris about your other programming questions.

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-we have talked a bunch about this too......

-the Photographer's or Model's name should appear next to the set of images.

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I'm glad to see the launch of the new PhOTM & MOTM contests, but I have a couple of suggestions? Currently in the MOTW and PhOTW Contests one is entering 3 images to be viewed and voted on but the monthly contest only has 1 image entered for review from each of the weekly winners submittals. It may or may not be the best image of the 3 original winning entries of that week.

Chris is aware of this one and is working on it today (or at least that is what his email last night said).

Rick Gordon Photography wrote:

Speaking of which, the 2 month no re-entry rules for the weekly contest is a mite stringent

This was done at the request of the contest admins and is configurable.  The point has been raised and they are discussing it now.


Rick Gordon Photography wrote:

When I just entered my submittals for this week's PhOTW Contest the header stated "My Entries the Past 15 Days", but showed all entries going back months. It was only when I went into the Rules link that I read of the 2 month Rule. With the header being what it is now, wouldn't one assume that the rule is 15 days in this contest as well? This should be changed to reflect the actual rules, no?

Oops that's my bad, I missed changing the display there when I put in the code for the variable check period. Fixing now.

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-at the moment, there is another issue that needs resolved present format of the weekly/monthly/yearly contests.

Lets say for example that someone wins several weeklies in the month and they funnel into the monthly with 2 or more sets.

Should one set display

-OR-

should the votes be combined for all sets for that person?

Comments?

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Curtis Wood wrote:

-at the moment, there is another issue that needs resolved present format of the weekly/monthly/yearly contests.

Lets say for example that someone wins several weeklies in the month and they funnel into the monthly with 2 or more sets.

Should one set display

-OR-

should the votes be combined for all sets for that person?

Comments?

One should not be penalized for success where one is running against oneself and perhaps splitting the vote. I'm for combining the set. If only 3 entries are then running, then so be it. Maria is currently running against herself as well as against Delaney and Sunzie this week. If one of her entries take 5 votes, the other takes 3, and one of the others wins with 6 votes that'd not be fair, would it?

Curtis Wood wrote:

--the Photographer's or Model's name should appear next to the set of images.?

After the vote? Most certainly. Beforehand? Why? That opens the door to potential positive OR negative reactions. As it is we frequently know who's who with the watermarking on the images, or the images of the model themselves.

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Rick Gordon Photography wrote:

Curtis Wood wrote:

-at the moment, there is another issue that needs resolved present format of the weekly/monthly/yearly contests.

Lets say for example that someone wins several weeklies in the month and they funnel into the monthly with 2 or more sets.

Should one set display

-OR-

should the votes be combined for all sets for that person?

Comments?

One should not be penalized for success where one is running against oneself and perhaps splitting the vote. I'm for combining the set. If only 3 entries are then running, then so be it. Maria is currently running against herself as well as against Delaney and Sunzie this week. If one of her entries take 5 votes, the other takes 3, and one of the others wins with 6 votes that'd not be fair, would it?

-this is my thinking as well.

-it depends on your point of view if you are voting for images or for the model/photographer I guess.

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Curtis Wood wrote:

--the Photographer's or Model's name should appear next to the set of images.?

After the vote? Most certainly. Beforehand? Why? That opens the door to potential positive OR negative reactions. As it is we frequently know who's who with the watermarking on the images, or the images of the model themselves.

ooops, was editing this when you responded....

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Curtis Wood wrote:

--the Photographer's or Model's name should appear next to the set of images.?

After the vote? Most certainly. Beforehand? Why? That opens the door to potential positive OR negative reactions. As it is we frequently know who's who with the watermarking on the images, or the images of the model themselves.

-depends again on your point of view of what the contest is.

-if the the contest is "Model of the Week" or "Photographer of the Week" does this not infer that we are voting for a person? In any event as you have mentioned, I think most everyone is aware of who someone is either from the previous wins, to get to that contest, or by watermark.

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Rick Gordon Photography wrote:

Speaking of which, the 2 month no re-entry rules for the weekly contest is a mite stringent

This was done at the request of the contest admins and is configurable.  The point has been raised and they are discussing it now.

I agree with you Rick.  The curator team will address this soon, some are in situations where they cannot access their e-mail.  I'll update here when we come to an agreement.

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Curtis Wood wrote:

Rick Gordon Photography wrote:

Curtis Wood wrote:

-at the moment, there is another issue that needs resolved present format of the weekly/monthly/yearly contests.

Lets say for example that someone wins several weeklies in the month and they funnel into the monthly with 2 or more sets.

Should one set display

-OR-

should the votes be combined for all sets for that person?

Comments?

One should not be penalized for success where one is running against oneself and perhaps splitting the vote. I'm for combining the set. If only 3 entries are then running, then so be it. Maria is currently running against herself as well as against Delaney and Sunzie this week. If one of her entries take 5 votes, the other takes 3, and one of the others wins with 6 votes that'd not be fair, would it?

-this is my thinking as well.

-it depends on your point of view if you are voting for images or for the model/photographer I guess.

If I remember right in the forum base weekelys , the combine sets of the weekly wins were combine together. so that you only voted on one person's set and not several.

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If I remember right in the forum base weekelys , the combine sets of the weekly wins were combine together. so that you only voted on one person's set and not several.

The member posted three images in the thread - those were then combined into one display of all three side-by-side, with the member's name underneath with a number.  All entries were then posted to a single message for the voting display.  Once balloting was used, instead of each voter entering "#1" (for example) the ballot posting would be displayed just above the voting display with a check box for each member, by name and number.

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There is perhaps another option not considered yet?

Leave the sets "as is" for submittal into the contests BUT all voters cast 3 votes? One for first, second, and third, with each weighted accordingly? 5 points for a first place vote, 3 for second, and 1 for third? Maybe use this voting format for all the contests, including the dailies, allowing an entrant to even vote themselves first (but must cast 2 additional votes)? One can vote for oneself on both MM and Brigade, and each site uses a 3 vote system, though not a weighted one.

I dunno, just thinking out loud. Don't know if this is useful or even viable coding or rules wise..... You guys have wanted me to play "Devil's Advocate" up til now, so I'm doing just that.

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Deardorff Photography wrote:

Daniel Greig wrote:


Rick Gordon Photography wrote:

Speaking of which, the 2 month no re-entry rules for the weekly contest is a mite stringent

This was done at the request of the contest admins and is configurable.  The point has been raised and they are discussing it now.

I agree with you Rick.  The curator team will address this soon, some are in situations where they cannot access their e-mail.  I'll update here when we come to an agreement.

The contest curator team agrees - our discussions before focused on contest cycles rather than the number of images. We agree the wording should be changed to:

4.      Once images are submitted you must wait 4 contest cycles (roughly 1 month) to resubmit those images.

We'll submit that to the Admin folks (i.e., code monkeys) for implementation.  And thanks for your objective eyes helping us out.

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Rick Gordon Photography wrote:

When I just entered my submittals for this week's PhOTW Contest the header stated "My Entries the Past 15 Days", but showed all entries going back months. It was only when I went into the Rules link that I read of the 2 month Rule. With the header being what it is now, wouldn't one assume that the rule is 15 days in this contest as well? This should be changed to reflect the actual rules, no?

Oops that's my bad, I missed changing the display there when I put in the code for the variable check period. Fixing now.

Just a "head's up" Daniel. I'm about to re-enter for this week's PhOTW contest and the Header still reads "Your Entries the Past 15 Days",  though now it shows the images entered from the past two cycles. As the rules have now been changed from 8 to 4 cycles the header should reflect this change reading "Your Entries the Past 4 Cycles", with the previous 4 cycles being displayed, yes?